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TAS in Session: Horse Feathers

Horse Feathers, a whimsically-named quartet of folk rockers from Portland, Oregon, recently released a third album, Thistled Spring on Kill Rock Stars. The band, led by singer, songwriter and guitarist Justin Ringle, will be heading out on tour this summer, with stops at the Newport Folk Festival, the Philadelphia Folks Festival and the Ottawa Folk Festival.

Ringle began Horse Feathers about five years ago with an initial lineup that included Peter Broderick on Horse Feathers' debut, Words Are Dead, which received a Plug Awards nomination in 2007 for Americana album of the year. For the group's wintery sophomore album, House with No Home, the duo added Broderick's sister, the cellist Heather Woods Broderick.

After the Broderick siblings left Horse Feathers to tour with the Danish orchestral-pop collective Efterklang, Ringle recruited Peter Broderick's friend Nathan Crockett (violin, vocals), former Sea Bear member Catherine Odell (cello, vocals), and Sam Cooper (banjo, violin, mandolin, percussion, vocals, harmonium) who not only joined the band, but became Ringle's roommate.

Horse Feathers dropped by The Alternate Side's Studio A not long ago and treated us to a beautiful live session of three songs from Thistled Spring: the title track, "Starving Robins" and "Belly of June:"

Alisa Ali: When we began playing your music, I thought that your band’s name was an old-time expression. Is it?

Justin Ringle: It’s synonymous with nonsense or rubbish. It was originally something I heard my grandfather used and I just liked the antique sound of it.

Alisa: Do you actually use it when you’re speaking?

Justin: I don’t (laughs).

Nathan Crocket: If you say something ridiculous during this interview we’ll make a point of retorting thus.

Alisa: I will likely say something ridiculous during this interview. [“Horse Feathers”] is also a Marx Brothers movie.

Justin: Yeah, I’ve become painfully aware of that since I’ve had the name. I didn’t know that there was a Marx Brothers movie when I began playing under that name, but a lot of people think that was the genesis of the name. But it’s not. I’ve never actually seen the movie, but in mood, it’s about as far away as possible from what we’re doing, so it’s kind of confusing.

Alisa: From your name, I was expecting something different, like a hipster, ironic, indie band. But when I started researching you, I saw all of these Americana labels pop up which is probably due to the fact that your first album [Words Are Dead] was nominated as Americana album of the year for the Plug Awards. What do you feel about the Americana label?

Justin: I think it’s more fitting than a lot of other labels that people try to affix to what we do. Only because it’s even more open-ended in a way. In the indie community, they always want to label things contextually to other bands. But in the Americana world, it’s kind of like, well, Americana.

Alisa: I’d love to know the genesis of the band because there have been some lineup changes.

Justin: Well, I moved to Portland in 2004 and I started writing songs, right before I’d moved from Idaho. I started playing open mics and just kind of messing around with music, but then I began to take it more seriously. Eventually I met the first instrumentalist that I began working with, Peter Broderick, and did Words Are Dead with him. Then we enlisted his sister to play cello on the next album and we did House With No Home with me, Peter and Heather. Then they got involved with other projects and [Nathan, Catherine and Sam] began to filter in during various times and we’ve been playing in this arrangement for about a year and a half. There’s been other people involved in the past too, playing live. This is the first time I’ve actually been able to tour with the band that I recorded with on the record.

Nathan: The original instrumentalist, Peter Broderick, is an old childhood friend of mine and when he went on to other projects, he suggested me as a replacement. Sam and I began playing with Horse Feathers at that time.

Justin: Which is funny because Peter and Nathan grew up together, literally 400 yards apart, in rural Oregon. [Nathan’s] mom was their violin instructor and orchestra teacher.

Nathan: I started playing violin when I was about five.

Sam Cooper: I like to tell people that Nathan began playing when he was an embryo.

Nathan: In some ways I was studying at that point. When I was really young, I really wanted to play the violin. But as I started getting into the depths of classical training, I definitely had several years where I was not enjoying it. I’m very glad I stuck with it because I wouldn’t be where I am today.

Catherine Odell: I met Justin through the Portland Cello Project. I used to play with them and they collaborate with local musicians. Horse Feathers was one of the bands they collaborated with.

Justin: I could tell that she had better intonation than most.

Catherine: He stalked me.

Justin: I did, actually (all laugh). I watched all of the YouTube clips she was in. At the time she was playing with another band called Sea Wolf from Los Angeles and watched those clips with the utmost scrutiny.

Nathan: I remember chatting with Justin about this when we were recruiting Catherine and he was like, “I think she’s going to do okay. I was watching videos of her all last night!” (all laugh).

Sam: The technical term for what Justin did is “headhunting.”

Catherine: He came to one of my shows with another band in a really small venue. After that show, he asked if I had any interest on joining him on tour. I was a little offended at first.

Alisa: You were? Why?

Catherine: I was doing my own thing, so the gall of this man to ask me to leave what I was pursuing to go join his efforts! (she laughs).

Justin: You never told me that!

Catherine: I didn’t? (laughs). What better time to reveal it than now?

Justin: Now you have all this.

Catherine: Living the dream.

Alisa: How did you break up with your old band?

Catherine: It didn’t happen immediately. I actually think I got kicked out of my own band when I was gone for too long.

Justin: It was my fault.

Alisa: Tell me about the title track of the album.

Justin: Originally ["Thistled Spring"] was written on piano and we recorded it with a live quartet. We had a violist play with us as well. Obviously we’re not hauling a piano around so we just translated it to guitar, but it still retains the basic concept of the song.

Nathan: An approach used in the entire album is recording several people, if not all of us, live. In over half the songs, that’s the core of it. So in [that] song we did live piano and string quartet all at once. I think it made the album fun and kind of vibrant.

Catherine: And the string parts for that song were pretty much written in one day.

Justin: It was mostly written, recorded and arranged in one day, so we really felt as which we captured a moment.

Alisa: What’s the writing process for you?

Justin: I’m sure everyone has their unique process. I definitely feel as if I’m on one side of the songwriting process. Some people are lyrics first and then try to put them into the song. With me it’s music first. I figure out the melodies that I want and then take words and try to fit them to the song. It’s kind of a backwards way, but I feel that I can control what I want to say in terms of how it relates to the mood of the song. The words, in a certain way, become slaves to the music.

Alisa: So you consider youself a musician first and a lyricist second.

Justin: Yeah, definitely. More of a songwriter, overall. I don’t think I’m a fabulous musician.

Nathan: Horse feathers, Justin! (all laugh).

Justin: I don’t think I’m a fabulous writer.

Alisa: Horse feathers!

Justin: The two things together, I feel that’s the one thing I can really get into. But that is the most challenging process, definitely.

Horse Feathers Tour Dates

23 -- Guelph, ON @ Hillside Festival

24 -- Guelph, ON @ Hillside Festival

25 -- Guelph, ON @ Hillside Festival

27 -- Exton, PA @ Eagleview Concert Series

28 -- Baltimore, MD @ Metro Gallery

29 -- Arlington, VA @ IOTA Club & Cafe

31 -- Newport, RI @ Newport Folk Festival

August 2010

01 -- Montreal, QC @ Osheaga

11 -- Haddon Heights, NJ @ Summer Series

14 -- Ottawa, ON @ Ottawa Folk Festival

15 -- Ottawa, ON @ Ottawa Folk Festival

18 -- Fairfield, CT @ FTC StageOne

20 -- Harrisburg, PA @ Stage Two @ Whitaker Center

21 -- Schwenksville, PA @ Philadelphia Folk Festival

Posted 06-21-10 by Alisa Ali, Kara Manning
The Heavy

TAS In Session: The Heavy

The Heavy is a band that just outright refuses to be put into any one musical category. In keeping with that ideal, their latest release The House That Dirt Built incorporates an amazingly diverse mix of genres: funk, soul, rock, hip hop, punk and more.

Aside from music, singer Kelvin Swaby, guitarist Dan Taylor, bassist Spencer Page and drummer Chris Ellul also seem to have an affinity towards film as well. The opening track of their new album includes a creepy spoken warning: “ if you value your sanity, don’t go in the house." It's an audio clip from, as they put it, "a dodgy, D-list horror flick" and thought it was very appropriate. In my opinion (and theirs too) their music begs to be on the soundtrack of a Quentin Tarantino film

"We're definitely very influenced by his style of filmmaking," Dan told me. "It reminds me of the way we write tunes. Because he kind of takes everything from everywhere and smashes it all together."

Unfortunately, The Heavy haven't landed on a Tarantino soundtrack yet, but their song, "How You Like Me Now?" off of The House That Dirt Built is featured in a pretty great car commercial. Now, I don't normally endorse products, and I'm not doing that now but you have to see this. Think of this as a band endorsement instead. And watch the live version of the song the band did in The Alternate Side's studio.

Alisa Ali: You have a lot of heavyweights involved on [this album] - pun intended. Jim Abbiss (Arctic Monkeys, Editors, Sneaker Pimps) produced this for you. How did he become involved?

Spencer Page: That was kind of a weird one. We thought it would be a good idea from the start and then found out that he'd been doing the Noisettes record as well so it's kind of a weird approach to him just before it and then it all happened at the same time. The Noisettes spoke to him a bit and it's through that, basically, but he'd loved what he'd heard and wanted to get involved.

Alisa: Did you learn anything from him?

Chris Ellul: Nah, he's rubbish (all laugh).

Kelvin Swaby was just fantastic. He plumbed the house, basically.

Dan Taylor: He kind of cleaned it up for us.

Spencer: There's a lot of sonic stuff, sounds.

Dan: He made it audible whereas we usually make it as inaudible as possible.

Swaby: Yeah, we try to go as rough as possible, so we still wanted the grittiness in there, and the dirt in there but it's kind of up to him to make it sonically so it works for radio.

Alisa: You have a notable sample on the album of Screaming Jay Hawkins' ["I Put A Spell On You" in the song "Sixteen"]. What made you decide to use that?

Swaby: It's not a sample, but ["Sixteen"] is completely influenced by that track. It's actually us playing everything. It kind of sounds heavier in his version.

Dan: We wrote it first and he sampled us!

Swaby: Yeah, crazy! I don't know how that works ....

Alisa: That song also has a weird carnival vibe mixed with a 60s girl group sound. Who [was] the guest vocalist on there?

Swaby: Actually it's Shingai Shoniwa of the Noisettes. She kind of came in and joined in the party. We only wanted her on one song originally and then she ended up doing three so it was great. She's a good girl. She gives good neck massages.

Alisa: I did not know that about her!

Swaby: You do now!

Alisa: Are you a fan of the Noisettes?

Dan: We had a mutual friend, somebody who was doing our sound who knew them and worked with them and he suggested it would be a great hookup and he was absolutely correct.

Alisa: I hate when 16-year olds act like forty year olds.

Swaby: So do I, that's why the song had to be written. Kids nowadays are trying to grow up far too quickly. And I think with media and celebrity magazines we try to make children grow up too fast and the song [is] anti that [trend]. I don't want to see kids in nightclubs at the age of 16. Getting drunk and being taken home by the devil. You want to see that? You want to wish that on your children?

Alisa:No, I don't! Though to be honest with you, I did try to sneak into clubs when I was 16.

Swaby: Exactly! That's what I'm saying. Now you're hanging out with devils.

Alisa: You're known for mixing genres in your music; you've got garage, hip hop, funk and soul. Are there any [genre] you wouldn't [touch]?

Swaby: Nose flutes.

Spencer: Nose flute techno.

Dan: There's probably lots of music we don't like.

Swaby: Probably Gabber techno. Then again there's probably some sounds in there that [we] might use.

Alisa: I don't know what that is.

Chris: It would make your nose bleed.

Dan: Horrid, nosebleeding techno. Horrific pace.

Spencer: It's about 200 bpm, I think. Originated in Holland.

Alisa: What inspired "Cause For Alarm"?

Daniel: It was my girlfriend's positive pregnancy test about a year ago. Now it's all good. Not such a cause for alarm now. I'm a proud daddy. Her name is Tallulah.

Alisa: How does the songwriting work or the lyric writing work for you guys in general?

Daniel: Sometimes we do it individually and give bits to each other [or] contribute and finish each other's songs. Sometimes they come all at once. Sometimes we're working in the studio, the four of us. There's no set kind of way of doing it, really.

Alisa: Everyone gets involved on writing lyrics?

Dan: Not so much lyrics.

Swaby: Not so much lyrically, but musically, everybody kind of does.

Alisa: So you and Daniel do the bulk of the lyric writing?

Daniel: [Swayby] helped me on it. I got to a late stage finishing ["Cause for Alarm"] but I knew [Swayby] had to sing it, so I presented it to him. It makes so much more sense.

Alisa: Do you notice anything about each other's lyrical writing style?

Daniel: It's always about sex (all laugh).

Swaby: It's not sex, Daniel, it's relationships.

Daniel: It always about sex.

Spencer: Sexual relationships.

Swaby: Yeah, generally.

Daniel: Mine are always a bit more sensitive ....

Swaby: (overlaps) So you can see whose written what on the album.

Daniel(continues): Whereas [Swayby] just batters the door down (all laugh).

Swaby: Usually the back door as well ... sorry (laughs).

Back in January, The Heavy played "Late Night with David Letterman" and in a first for Letterman, he was so blown away by Swaby and the gang that he asked them for an encore.

Posted 02-22-10 by Alisa Ali
Beach House

TAS In Session: Beach House

Beach House recently released their third album Teen Dream on Sub Pop and lots of people are saying that its their best record to date. And I'm going to have to agree with that.

Victoria Legrand and Alex Scally have a very unique sound. They've often been described as having a dreamy and atmospheric vibe. This is actually a source of frustration to them , because they don't necessarily feel that way about their music. They feel as though they've been pigeonholed by this response which I guess is understandable. Many times when a band is described like that you might think that their music could fade into the background. Beach House's sound, however, is very much in the foreground.

Their style was evident from the very start of their career with their 2006 self-titled debut album. But years of experience have enabled Legrand and Scally to hone their musical skills to the point where Teen Dream sounds more confident and vivid than any of their previous releases.

We talked about the album and the cool DVD which accompanies it, which includes a music video for each song on the album. Legrand makes her directorial debut on the video for "Silver Soul" and there are also contributions from Broken Social Scene's Kevin Drew and Seattle artist Sean Pecknold, brother of Robin Pecknold from Fleet Foxes.

Alisa Ali: You guys holed yourselves up in a converted church in upstate New York [to record this album]?

Victoria Legrand: We went for a month and we stayed in a house and we continued the intense focus process that we'd been doing in Baltimore. And it was a church but it didn't feel very religious at all.

Alisa: What did it look like?

Victoria: it was a beautiful wooden room with stained glass, high ceilings, but no religious iconography anywhere.

Alex Scally I thought it was more barn-like than church-like.

Alisa: Was that experience different from how you recorded in the past?

Victoria: It was longer.

Alex: Every other time time we've recorded it's been about getting it done as quickly as humanely possible because we had a few days to do everything. This time, we had a ton of time. Three weeks, but that seemed like an eternity. We were able to take our time and focus.

Alisa: People have been saying you have a very consistent sound, but to me, you sound more confident.

Victoria: I think we've definitely gotten stronger, but that's what happens when you tour constantly. You live and breathe the music that you make.

Alex: I think we still have a lot of the same musical interests but I think there's definitely been a natural drive towards sophistication. I don't think anyone wants to make the same record twice and you tire of the old things. I think we're tired of those low fi sounds, they're limiting and have one dimension.

Victoria: We just tried something a little different, but not too different.

Alex: It's like getting a new Lazy-Boy chair!

Victoria: We might go back to the Lazy-Boy. You never know what might happen four months from now. You never know how you're going to feel about songs because when you play them live you learn so much about [them] and what you loved you might not like. It's a crazy cycle.

Alisa: When you play the songs, have you found that you're favoring particular songs to play live?

Victoria: We've been playing some of the new songs for a little bit but then there's a whole other half of the record that we've yet to really perform every night. So, we've had fun playing "Walk in the Park" and it's always really fun when you play the new songs because Devotion is definitely played out for us. We want more from [Devotion songs]. It feels old but it also feels strange in your body.

Alex: It's like hooking up with your ex-girlfriend and it's horrible. You know you shouldn't be doing it and it's not right.

Victoria: And you're trying to capture how it felt when you dated ....

Alex (finishing her sentence): But it's not going to happen. It's gross.

Alisa: So these songs are basically your girlfriends?

Victoria: Every record.

Alex: Polygamy!

Alisa: I like that analogy. So the new album is Teen Dream. What does that mean to you?

Victoria: It's something that came out of a burst of energy. When we found the words, we instantly knew it was the title of the record. I think we had four songs at that point and it gave us this incredible light at the end of the tunnel. It's really just an abstracted sense of freedom, passion, obsession, whatever you'd make of it as well. It felt very classic to us.

Alex: It was an instinctual blurt as many things are for us.

Victoria:: It's not about our teen past, though I'm sure most people would say that we are giant teenagers.

Alex: We didn't name the album 'The Dream You Experience During Your Teenaged Years' because it's not specific.

Victoria: It seemed like the proper point for a record that, for us, felt epic on certain levels. A lot of imagination, a lot of movement, so it really seemed like the proper sail for this very swift creature that grew up out of waves. And that's literally what the record felt like, making it, and so when that happened it did feel like something bursting through.

Alex: The Germans did not understand the Teen Dream title. They wanted specifics. They wouldn't just let it be. They were like 'but what does it mean?'

Alisa: Victoria, what a voice you have. It's so unique and different. Did you know you've been getting a lot of comparisons to Stevie Nicks? What do you think of that?

Victoria: I think it's better than Nico. At least Stevie Nicks hits actual notes.

Alex: Stevie Nico.

Victoria: Nico Nicks.

Alisa Ali: Did you ever have formal training in singing?

Victoria: I did. I started singing when I was 14 and did some opera-ish type stuff, but that kind of singing you have to keep working on it. I'm very grateful for my training, but [for this kind of singing] you use parts of it. It's a very different world, the ncredibly fragile, yet very precise world of formal opera singing. You have to keep working on [your range] it otherwise you lose it. This is a different style, this is rock 'n' roll. I can't believe I just said that (laughs). I'm going to get punched later.

Alisa: And Alex, saw you doing some fancy footwork there. What are all of those pedals?

Alex: It's just a bass synth which is just a very exciting new element for us. And it's really one of the most exciting musical things that's happened for me in the last few years.

Victoria: Besides Eric Clapton.

Alex: Yeah, except for studying Eric Clapton constantly. Just starting to play with my feet and my hands at the same time is so enjoyable. The division that happens in your brain is really exciting.

Alisa: You've got a video for each song [on a DVD accompanying Teen Dream]. Whose idea was it to do that?

Victoria: It was our idea to have a DVD and it just fit with Teen Dream.

Alex: I think this probably grew out of two things. We think of our music as extremely visual and I think we wanted to promote that. The other thing was that we experienced frustration after our last album - the pigeonholed response to our music, of it being dreamy, ethereal. Which is not really the way we feel about it at all. This super one dimensional reception and I think by getting these artists involved, curating these [ten directors] and having nothing to do with the ideas at all, we were able to stimulate a new realm of responses to what we make. I think it's really awesome to give people who listen to us, along with the record, a whole library of interpretations to accompany it.

Victoria: Watching them, one after the other, is actually a very intense experience. We did that for the first time yesterday. We had a little screening. And I got to see all of the videos, really, for the first time, all in a line. Other people's interpretations of what you do is ultimately much more fascinating than your own.

Alisa: You directed one of the videos too.

Victoria: For "Silver Soul." I had a very strong vision for that song and that's the only reason I did it because I've never [directed] before. This was my first experience. It was very challenging. I saw this very strange narrative, hula hoops, this girl, a shower. All very tangible. And my brother. So it was fun and I filmed it in Baltimore. I can't believe it's real.

Alisa: The production seems much tighter on this record. The songs seems more vivid.

Alex: It's a really different style. Those sounds that we were going after, that we were really obsessed with, are those really fast, lo-fi, immediate sounds which are really great because they capture a certain energy. And there was a lot of reverb on the previous records and there isn't a lot on this record. I think what we were ultimately trying to do was have the same feeling of reverb - that epic, giant, expansive sound - but without any reverb. I think we were attempting to record it in a panoramic, tall [way] so that when you listen to it, it's literally everywhere in the sonic spectrum.

Alex on 'Walk in the Park': "The first thing that happens in a song is usually really exciting, like the first little chord progression. But then there's this immediate wall that hits: how do you make this into a song and not destroy what was so amazing about this first little part? One of the coolest evolutions of ["Walk in the Park"] was we had the whole song and when Victoria goes into the outro, it actually changes keys, something that's really fun. It's actually an old-fashioned thing. It goes up to an entirely different key. And that part would have never sounded like that had it not been for [drummer] Dan [Franz]. We were coming to that part and he just leapt into this loping drum thing at the end. It's really epic and rolling. That was one of the last things that happened that made the song way better."

Posted 02-08-10 by Alisa Ali

New Podcast: In-studio with The Walkmen

If you're bored on the subway, the one place with no internet/cell connection in 2009..don't fret. Subscribe to The Alternate Side Video Podcast and download intimate in-studio performances on your portable mp3 player. This week we're featuring a session from The Walkmen.

Complete interview/performance: click here

Posted 07-14-09 by Jeff Kuprycz

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Posted 09-01-08 by Jeff Kuprycz
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